Sun 1:57 PM Trey I want you to run an experiment for me. See if you can achieve the tuning b,e,a,d,g,c (one full step below 9 string standard) on a six string. You sent Sure thing You sent I was thinking about this too, I want to do at least B1 on a six for something You sent C#1 has been pretty genocidal though Trey I just need to know the limits of six strings before a complete this "baritone 6" build. You sent With fatter strings lower is possible Trey I plan on using these gauges with the 30 inch scale, the goal is for this monster of a guitar to be in b as its standard. Trey You sent I will deduce what the lowest can be done with the bronze strings Trey This instrument is going to be beautiful Jessie Trey But if we can't achieve it with those strings we'll have to use the thinner acoustic bass strings Trey But I mean with that 30 inch scale it might not be completely necessary. You sent We're engineering a tool for war crimes Trey You are the master of looser string-six string Titanic tuning playing, I am but the building. You sent As it stands, my riffs have violated the Geneva Convention at least a dozen times Trey I create the gas chambers, you provide the box cars. Trey It's symbiotic really You sent coparasitic Trey You sent I've out 'ticianed Mortician, Trey You sent I discovered how to "use the gross" Gross Dop'mestic Product You sent (misheard lyric of "my main team on the side of my hip") You sent S.O.U.T.H. Parkway Lyrics [Intro: Gangsta Blac] My main team on the side of my hip, nigga G-B, nigga, huh, South Memphis, nigga Huh, what you think, nigga? (We shootin' motherfuckin' .40's, nigga) Huh, South Memphis, nigga [Chorus: Gangsta Blac] S-O-U-T-H, yeah, Parkway Don't play damn-damn day, get your shit straight Test us, then we test you too, shit All us, all y'all too, is on, shit S-O-U-T-H, yeah, Parkway Don't play damn-damn day, get your shit straight Test us, then we test you too, shit All us, all y'all too, it's on, shit You sent https://youtu.be/NvL8sOScXxU?si=Rudf5VH8ggNPVcXH Gangsta Blac - S.O.U.T.H. Parkway Shadow155 Trey Trey Trey Sun 3:01 PM You sent Sun 4:24 PM Trey Crom'$ balls Trey How much is it You sent I think they already sold it You sent But you may call them and ask Trey Either way like I said the idea of having to use a tablet for everything chaps my ass You sent (817) 763-8188 Trey So as prehistoric as it is, I'm going to have to just go with physical rack mixers. You replied to Trey Its not prehistoric twit You sent Its practical Trey Not to me and you Trey To everyone else lol You sent Not to anyone with a cerebral cortex Trey Funny enough the build is going to have to accelerate a bit since we're likely going to incorporate a drummer into slimeonade before too long. Trey He's coming to jam and see how everything goes on Thursday Edited Having a drummer is swag for the obvious reason of then I wouldn't have to output the four signals for kick, toms, snare, and cymbals. But it unfortunately doesn't narrow it down to two channels of output because then I could just use MP3s in my life would be gravy. Unfortunately I'll still need tracks, bass drops, and a click track for the drummer to play too. Trey So I'll need three outputs Trey Minimum Trey I wish there was a way to consolidate bass drops into the main tracks, because I need a separate lead to run to the slab shaker. Trey But now that I'm thinking about it perhaps there is a way to do that Trey Kind of similar to how we were reading about how a mixing board for a sound guy doesn't have dedicated subwoofer outputs, but instead they make a high pass loop from the main channel. So what if I were to use some sort of outboard mixer and run the tracks through it with the bass drops as a part of it, and then mix off all the high end and midrange. And then I can run that lead to the slab shaker and the other lead to the house. Trey The only problem I can envision with that is that all the low end from the sample track will go through the slab shaker. Trey So instead of just bass drops it'll also get floor tom and kick drum. Trey Hmm 🤔 Trey ✏️ Trey Sorry about the paragraphs lol, I'm just thinking out loud at this point. Trey Actually it might be perfect because since we have a drummer then the tracks won't even have kicks or Tom's in them, duh Trey So the only low end the tracks will even have is bass drops anyways Trey I think I'm really on to something Trey Also if you think that's whacked out, wait till you hear this idea. Trey ✏️ Trey Stupid pencils Trey I have an idea on how to have the same amount of space as a 16u rack, in only 8u of space. Trey Put half the gear on the front rails, put the other half of the gear on the back rails. And then cut a hole in one side of the case, reinforce it and put a little door on it. Edited And then have like a little light velcro'd in there You replied to Trey what a retarded faggot idea Okay You sent Also, I was already doing that in 2021 You sent Theres a reason I stopped Trey I mean if I cut a hole and then reinforce it there will be no risk of collapse, and then I just put the piece I cut out back on with hinges as a little door with velcro. Trey And then on the other side obviously cut some extra holes for ventilation. Trey So that you don't build up case heat Trey Probably cut a couple of holes in the door as well just for more airflow. You sent Your idea has usecases for sure Trey Get some PC fans that run off of little regular plugs and plug them into the power strip, put induction fans on the door and exhaust fans on the opposing wall. You sent Compactness comes at the cost of ergonomics though You sent Usually Trey I agree but I need the entire thing to be contained in one rack, but I can't have a giant Tower Trey And I refuse to use digital mixers Trey So building a franken-rack is seemingly my only option. Sun 5:05 PM You sent you'll want to put a cap in your brain if you prevent yourself from being able to access the cabling by racking both sides of a dual sided rack case. The reason there are rails on the front and back isn't because they want you to rack stuff on both sides; instead, the rear rails are for when you put in something that needs dual end support (weight, or if it 'slides', like drawers) Yeah but if I can access it by opening one entire side as a hinged panel, then I won't be prevented from accessing anything Trey Bruv You sent but you havent biwlt it yet you vile familiar Edited all I'll have to do is just put some angle aluminum reinforcing ribs around the perimeter of the hatch that I produce, and it will not reduce the structural integrity. Trey A relatively simple procedure honestly You sent Trey I'll get one of those 8u flight cases and get to work pretty soon. Trey You're going to be peanut butter and jealous Trey replied to you What is this from? You replied to Trey Slow Sliced - slowed down Croc Sun 10:48 PM Don't cut holes in the side You sent You'll just damage a case Trey I'm going to reinforce the inside of it with angle aluminum You sent The depth won't be enough Trey There will be no weakness You sent I promise Trey Then I'll have to build an extra deep one lol Trey And I'll just put the hatch on the top Trey So that the sides can have handles Trey The air flow holes will be on the sides, with a hatch on the top so I can get in and mess with the cables. Trey I'll just have to arrange the deepest equipment at the bottom and the shallowest equipment at the top. You sent When you rack shit at both ends you're going to have collisions and it'll be very tedious to do anything. Also, not that I suspect you eould have this problem, but anything with fans will face overheating risk Trey Yeah that's why I said I was going to put PC fans inlet on one side and exhaust on the other side Trey Plus during operation I'll obviously leave the big giant hatch on top open You sent Sounds like a lot of work to do something ill advised I just don't want a 16u case Trey Fuckin Eiffel Tower You sent Who said you needed one Trey I'm not going to use two cases You sent 6u for guitar, 6u flr everything else You sent For* Trey Two of those mixers alone will take up 6u of space. You sent Don't get two You sent Ohhh You sent I remember now Trey Niggah, go to bed You sent Get a 16u case Trey You bastard Trey Lol ✏️ Trey Well incorporating a drummer changes things anyways Trey I believe I can get away with 8u You sent Thats news to me, a drummer Trey You obviously didn't read that long series of messages I sent you earlier You sent Perhaps not You sent I will fo that now Edited Been busy and inattentive Trey You were responding to me near the end of it Trey replied to themself . Trey You would have had to have checked out here Trey Trey deleted a message You sent Read everything now Trey Luckily I won't need a computer or a 12 output interface now Neat, I hope all goes well Trey Since I can get away with two channels Trey Which reduces the size and cost You sent You're just going to need to be open to spending a lot of money on mics Trey Me and the drummer can wear cans and I can get away with just two mixers for us, Cameron and Brent say they don't really need ear monitors. Trey replied to you Not really, I need like four or five Mics You sent And if you resist you'll be "the asshole". Buckle up and spend money, its all that matters Trey 80 bucks tops You sent You have no idea what you're talking about. As usual Trey Your mom You sent Not being mean Trey I already have a snare mic, I just need one for Tom's, one for the kick, and two of those little mini condensers for symbols. Edited Just being real with you. If you think you'll do whatever you plan on doing and it'll be sufficient, you're just a fool Trey I've already gone through the entire setup, there is no overlooked matter. You need more than five mics Kermit Trey I do not Trey Where am I going to stick the sixth one, up my ass? Trey My guitar will be direct just like the vocals and bass guitar You replied to Trey Right but you don't understand that with a live drummer your infrastructure no longer works Trey replied to you Works beautifully Trey Allow me to explain You replied to yourself For the kit alone Trey Everything else is direct Trey I only need five mics for a drum kit You sent I'm confident I'm going to be able to hit the ITYS button before long You sent I Told You So (Nigga) Trey replied to you Drum kits and recording them is the furthest thing from cheap Trey I'll have one over the Tom's, one in the kick hole, one on the snare, and then two mini condensers hanging above the symbols. You sent You also have no concept of mic stands and the cost of those Trey I love you sleep merge the two symbol mics into one signal once they get to the set up. You sent Those are going to hurt your money Trey replied to you Don't need stands, I already have an answer for that. You sent Hang from the ceiling Trey Lol Trey I'm going to do that at my house You sent Won't work (well) Trey But for live shows I have a different answer You sent There's going to be too much opportunity of hitting the cables and also its just plain ignorant Trey And you're also forgetting there is an entire drummer to go over this stuff with You sent Once the cables/mics are struck, your recordings will be ruined You replied to Trey He's going to lose faith in you if you retain this idiocy Trey All right dude Edited He'll think "oh shit what an amateur" Trey You think I'm fucking retarded or something You sent And I say this to help you Trey I can perform experiments, and find problems, and then solve them. You replied to Trey Sometimes You sent Not often Trey You think I would just run the setup live without testing it Trey You think during testing if I ran into an issue of a mic getting hit in a certain position that I wouldn't move it You sent You are averse to compromise and re-evaluation Trey Give me a fucking break You replied to Trey Right, but if you're hanging them you'll quickly encounter exceptions of there being only one location that gets the mic close enough to the source, and still in the path of movement. Its plainly a bad idea for tge kit pieces that aren't the crash cymbals Yeah I'm just going to set up some mics, and then if they're in a funny position or need to be set up in a different way I'm just going to be all "dduuurrdurduuuduuh" guess I'll have to kill myself Edited Nah. You're just being ridiculous now Trey replied to you Dude I was joking about hanging them Trey I'm aware that I need a couple of Mike stands You sent Then what are you going to do (for real) You replied to Trey Right, then why the insane combativeness Trey I'll set up the kick drum mic where it goes in the hole, I'll likely clip the snare drum mic onto the snare itself, same thing with the toms likely. And I'll use two mic stands for the mini condensers. Trey Bang bang boom Trey Drums Trey (Allow me to explain setup 3.0) Cables, interface, proper expertise, all while juggling accomodating this person. What you should do Trey is drop the figment of knowing how it'll go. It's going to pan out more than likely that the drums will need to go into the living area of Brent's, which is fine if he's fine with it, and you'll need to be able to run xlr cabling through to some multiple input mixer Trey Since we're likely on two utterly different pages as usual. You sent Or interface Trey replied to you Okay so yes we are on two different pages Trey What a surprise You replied to Trey · Edited Whatever hopeless optimist. See how it goes and then report back to me Trey Since you mentioned recording a couple of times and are also concerned about some sort of permanent drum set up in here, you seem to think that I'm doing this for some recording purposes. Trey So again allow me to explain set up 3.0 Monitoring and recording are interlinked You sent They both require comptent mic placement Trey I'll have one of those eight channel XLR splitters, I'll run vocals guitar and bass into that. Then I'll run four leads from the drums into that as well. I'll then run an MP3 with (samples, bass drops, and the impossible to play 500 BPM kick patterns) on the left channel, and with the metronome on the right channel. I'll then send the split leads of everything minus the metronome to the house, then I'll use the two mixers and throw on some cans. I can then get whatever mix of everybody's instruments and the click track that me and the drummer need. Trey I mean it's relatively simple Trey I can then use a high pass EQ curve and only run the low end of the sample tracks to the slab shaker Trey Which solves my problem of always having to have the bass drops separate Trey In this case there's no Tom's or kicks or bass guitar really or anything in the samples so I can just have them merged in. Trey The setup is less expensive because I don't need four mixers and four in ear monitors Trey And it also takes up far less rackspace Edited Sure. Relatively simple, perhaps. But there are many moving parts. Not all of it will work Trey What the hell do you mean not all of it will work You sent I stand by what I said. I don't need to elaborate Trey Nigga what? Trey There's no part of that setup that is inherently non-functional You sent You're just preparing to slam into a wall of difficulty and personnel exaspiration It's even simpler and has less moving parts than the original idea You sent Right and that's why its more fucked Trey You make no sense Trey I cut out the two things that I was sure to have the most trouble with Trey The need for a computer with a daw running, and the need for wireless in-ear transmitters Trey Without those two hellish problems, this becomes a gravy train. Trey My frustrations simply come from the fact that instead of "that's pretty cool, here are some ideas to improve the process" I get "hey retard, this will never work" Trey My inherent optimism is often at odds with your inherent pessimism You sent You are riding on the provisions working. That's your first error. You need to just chill out and experiment, before defending your concepts to the death. I'm not trying to bash you, but I see a man who is coming up on a jam and situation with plenty of indicators that your plans will go south. And sure, bad omens don't feel good, but they're supposed to make you go back and check everything, stress test your concepts You replied to Trey Well one is more realistic than the other Trey replied to you Okay then like I said, how about suggesting some thing to make the process less likely to fail Trey Instead of just saying it's too complicated and I basically shouldn't do it Trey Because that's what I mostly get Trey I understand you're proclivities towards doing nothing for vast extended periods of time under the guise of perfection and troubleshooting Trey But I on the other hand have shit to get done Trey Or perhaps I'm just being rectangular Trey Is that it Jesse, am I something of a rectangular prism? Trey ✏️ Trey I mean I've gone over it 200 times, everything is going to have some inherent amount of "likeliness to malfunction randomly" but you can't just count on that Trey I mean having redundancies is important obviously Trey But anything short of building two full setups and lugging them both around with me in case one fails isn't likely to produce results. What would drastically lessen your chances of failure is to heed my warning that populating both ends of an 8u rack is error inviting. Also, look into D Series panels and connector coupler inserts. Without these, you're certain to flop. Beyond this, you've also got the wrong attitude; it seems that this concept isn't met with enthisiasm from your cohort. Now, I know that they're clueless about your reasoning, but it doesn't bid well for your rollout of these accomodations that you haven't tested You sent You're going to make life difficult for yourself with the 'can't fail' motif Trey replied to you Like I said with this setup I can reduce everything down to just one face of the 8u rack Trey ✏️ Trey replied to you I can't fail, I can only stumble and recover. You sent You will fail. I just can't say that more politely Trey To fail in this context would mean everything just catches on fire Trey Something going wrong doesn't equal failure You sent No. You're wrong Trey I mean if I build the setup and it works then what's the problem Trey It malfunctions during a show Trey When does that not happen even with the simplest of setups Trey That's always inevitable Trey With pretty much anything live Trey But anyways this entire setup can be condensed into a single 8u rack case (without having to utilize the back) You sent Sure. But you've got to refine it. Also when your passengers are getting vertigo, you can't just ignore it. You're about to have a bad time. You could solve it by dropping the idea of IEMs and just wearing headphones for yourself So that's not really a problem here. Trey Dude that's what I said Trey Holy shit Trey You either don't read what I have written, or I'm so illiterate that you couldn't comprehend it. You sent You've said a lot of things and they've continually varied Trey replied to themself . Trey Right here I literally said I wouldn't need ear monitors, I would simply only need two mixers and I would run cans to me and the drummer Trey replied to themself . Trey And right here I said I've eliminated the need for a computer and a DAW and transmitters Trey Which significantly simplifies everything Trey Trey Trey Now who has permanent brain fog Trey ✏️ Edited Anyway I'm working on another diagram like the last two versions Trey That should increase the comprehensibility of it I stand by everything I've said. If you remove the bit about IEMs, my other advice is still applicable. You have been such an erratically shifting loon with your plans and optimisms and compulsions that I'll admit I can't really be bothered to try very hard to comprehend every detail of your rig defenses. Though I read every word and now understand through your reclarifications of bits better than before, I still see problems. And since its not just one or two, I have no choice but to just criticize you, the areas which I feel are responsible for creating the problems that you currently and will soon face Trey Okay what's the main problem Trey The most glaring issue Edited The fact that there's an entire another person in the mix? Trey Because I mean that would be a pointless assertion You replied to Trey Maybe start with those because at this point you're just a little kid blabbing on about something and I'm your uncle whose just saying "wow that's great Trey" Trey It's essentially the same as the last diagram, just minus in-ear monitors and a computer Trey The leads from the drummer essentially replace the multiple leads that would have come from the multi output interface Trey And instead of transmitters we just run cans right off the mixers Trey It's literally that simple Trey I don't see how there's more problems with that, when I've eliminated several glaring problems Edited I mean the variable of human timing isn't even there for the drummer since he will have a click track in his cans Edited If you give me the fundamental of a diagram when you've completely uprooted and replanted the plans, you decrease the inevitability of a miscommunication. In the same way that if you assume a more experimental and less 'this will go perfectly' and an arrogant, cocky attitude that 'its literally so simple', you'll decrease the velocity at which you'll slam into problems that will be a bit embarrassing Then allow me to design the new diagram Trey What? Edited its all a big combination of all the pretentiousness and high falutinness and never conceding that eventually results in your collaborators getting annoyed Trey I mean you just admitted you practically had no idea what I was even talking about for most of this. You sent No. You fuck head. You pester me with this shit and I don't care about it anymore. I was still giving you sound warnings. There were a few points of incongruity in our concepts of what was being discussed, but that was unpreventable because of the nature of you talking about seven things at the same time (drummer coming into the fold, cutting holes in an 8u rack because you refuse to use an appropriately sized enclosure, no you're stupid because you thought I needed 16U of real estate when I covertly edited the plans to no longer require the infrastructure we mulled over in the recent past, etc.). You're a real bastard Trey Lol You sent Its never casual with you. Fuckhead. You're kicking and twisting at the wrong person right now. How about don't be so dense You sent Because you are. You're dense Trey I'm kicking and twisting at the wrong person? Because of what consequence? Trey I'm not even trying to Trey I just had a lot of random stuff bouncing around in my head Trey I realized some of it can come off incongruent You sent It takes a lot to rattle me Trey I mean but it was just as easy as you saying you didn't care way in the beginning, and we wouldn't be here. You sent And you have, because its just nonstop. I'm not saying I don't like discussing stuff with you Trey Just lead with that. You sent I suppose I'll be transparent and admit that I don't actually care anymore. I've invested enough mental resources into this man. Have fun with it, and I don't care Trey This is a relatively benign conversation I thought, I didn't think there was a reason to be rattled. Trey Okay I just don't understand why you didn't start with that Trey If you don't care about a topic from the beginning why continue to converse about it? You sent Because it didn't start that way. You irritated me throughout the exchange You sent You're an ass You sent But there goes another 10 minutes, that's the end of it man. Design it and integrate it but I don't want anymore updates Edited I realize I'm a bit disjointed and incomprehensible sometimes, but my intention at no point is to irritate or stress you out. I only "update you" about it because I figured you're the only person who cares about this kind of technical stuff. Trey And you're also the only person I can get relevant and valuable data from in regards to audio engineering ventures. Trey And also you're just my pal You sent You're my pal too but that's all good man Trey I suppose I didn't quite explain everything in depth enough for you to have gathered that the setup had likely changed Trey Either way I apologize for untying your chain